"This is what victory looks like," the Club of Rome, and having more kids

These numbers are hugely understated because they include India and parts of Africa that are still having babies like crazy. But if you look at China and you look at Europe, the numbers are much more acute than this. It's like there will be basically kindergartens and grade schools that are completely empty and massive numbers of over-65s. Uh, and it's not very far in the future.

It's also — America is largely immune because we have huge amounts of immigration, right, in the working age bracket. You don't tend to have a lot of immigrants that are 65 and over. And so you won't notice it as much in the US, but other parts of the world this is basically going to completely rip the working class out of the economy. And then the voters are overwhelmingly not employed. And so it's going to create — I mean, it's already a mess, but it's going to create all kinds of strange things in those jurisdictions.

I would just add, this is what victory looks like. This is what we want to see. 150,000 people plus per day on Earth are dying, and putting an end to that, at least the beginnings of putting an end to that, is what this looks like, where people are starting to live longer, uh, and people are starting to stop dying.

And the counterfactual looks more like the Limits to Growth from the Club of Rome, which I think was like early 1970s, potentially, depending on your vantage point, a horribly racist perspective on what — in its earliest form.

Yeah, like based on the false premise that somehow humans are going to be overcrowding uh purportedly scarce surface area of the planet and that was going to lead to decrepit conditions of living for everyone. Utter nonsense. This inverted pyramid, which some would call, you know, I guess the opposite of pronatalism — it's not anti-natalism. This is what a happy future looks like, where we have ultimately far more AI agents than we do humans, and longevity escape velocity is vanquished. We want this future.

Yeah. So I think that there are two major opportunities here. One is integrated elder care with robots at a high level, but the other one is integrated baby care. We should have more kids. Kids are wonderful, and having a fully integrated care for kids throughout, that can reduce the cost of child care and supporting and raising kids in the best way, is probably the biggest thing anyone could do for humanity, because there deserves to be more of us. So, let's have more kids. Let's figure out that problem.

All right, gentlemen. I love this episode. You guys — I love spending time with all of you. This was brilliant.

Listen, I need to say something about what Emad said. Love my kid to death, but damn, the work of being a parent is the biggest biological scam ever. It's just an unbelievable amount of work.

It's very rewarding. It's very —

Between those comments and then your prior comments about marriage over longevity escape velocity — what's going on?

I get permission from Lily to make some of these comments.

All right, guys. Uh, we'll be [unclear] away in 3 days. We'll see you again soon for our next episode. Dave, Alex, Salim, Emad, love you guys.

Great conversation. Brilliant as always.